Nalaman ko kay Helga na "pinagalitan" ni Ricky Carandang yung Black and White Movement. I was planning to write a post about it a few days ago, pero na-distract ako sa Danish Muslim Cartoons at yung Wowowee incident. Eto ang sinabi niya Carandang:
The Philippine Daily Inquier showed a picture of–among others– a member of Black and White linking arms with Carol Araullo of Bayan, Wilson Fortaleza of Sanlakas, and Mayor JV Ejercito of the Estrada restorationists. The message was clear: the wide spectrum of Anti-Arroyo forces was putting aside its differences and consolidating its forces.
Which leads me to ask the following questions of my friends in Black and White:
Ultimately, the reason why you want President Arroyo out of office is because she has failed to deliver on your expectations for better governance.
Do you now believe that if the group you have joined hands with will fulfill those aspirations for better governance if and when they succeed in taking power?
Do you believe that Bayan, Sanlakas, and UNO will actually listen to you once they take power?
Is it possible that if and when they take over that these diverse groups with their distinct and incompatible politcal agendas will actually be able to work together to reform Philippine politics, or will the children of this revolution devour each other in their fight over the spoils?
The Black and White Movement was formed because Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo betrayed the middle forces of EDSA Dos and frustrated their aspirations. Today, perhaps frustrated by their failure to make Arroyo account for her actions, they are now warily going to bed with the same forces they ousted in 2001 and the Sisonite reaffirmists in the Left. Are the middle forces represented by Black and White setting themselves up for another betrayal?
I'll start fisking this one first:
Ultimately, the reason why you want President Arroyo out of office is because she has failed to deliver on your expectations for better governance.
You're way wrong Mr. Carandang. You don't oust a president just because he or she "failed to deliver on our expectations". You don't oust a president either because of the so-called "sugal, alak, babae". Ang babaw naman ng mga dahilan na yon.
She needs to be ousted because she has no effin business running the country one minute longer as president, PERIOD. She stole the elections, diverted money to buy officials, and diverted more gov't money to her campaign. Tapos isama mo pa ang kidnapping attempts, obstruction of justice, witness tampering atbp, then you're talking about serious criminal offenses here, ricky. At GLORIAGATE pa lang ang tinutukoy ko. Hindi ko pa isinali diyan ang Jose Pidal scandal at Juetengate II.
btw, "failed to deliver" on our expectations, huh? nice way of glossing over GLORIAGATE eh, Ricky?
Do you now believe that if the group you have joined hands with will fulfill those aspirations for better governance if and when they succeed in taking power?
Isn't that what DEMOCRACY is all about?
Do you believe that Bayan, Sanlakas, and UNO will actually listen to you once they take power?
I don't recall you having a problem with leftist groups nung sumali sila sa Edsa Dos. So bakit ngayon ka lang nag-iingay. Ayaw mo na sa Bayan at Sanlakas? Tigilan mo na yung pagka-hypokrito mo.
If joining forces with SANLAKAS and Bayan were acceptable during Edsa dos, then they're good enough for the GMA resign movement.
As for UNO, you don't have to agree with them on everything to get along. You only have to agree on the most important issues... ie,
1) Removing the fake president from power.
2) Fumigate COMELEC, then hold special elections to replace Arroyo. And may the best man/woman win.
Is it possible that if and when they take over that these diverse groups with their distinct and incompatible politcal agendas will actually be able to work together to reform Philippine politics, or will the children of this revolution devour each other in their fight over the spoils?
that's the most impressive thing about us, isn't it? yung diversity ng nag-oopose sa illegitimate admin ni Arroyo. Again, I may sound like a broken record, but the answer is still this: HOLD SPECIAL ELECTIONS ONCE ARROYO IS OUT. THE NEW PRESIDENT THAT WILL BE ELECTED WILL THEN SHAPE THE POLICIES OF THE NEW ADMIN. THE VOTERS WILL DECIDE KUNG ANONG POLITICAL AGENDA ANG IPATUTUPAD VIA THEIR VOTES. KUNG MAY ANGAL KA PA DIYAN, THEN DEMOCRACY IS NOT FOR YOU, Ricky. ;)
Read this too from Edwin Lacierda and the BLACK and WHITE Movement.
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John, among the three responses (the other two being from BandW and edwin lacierda), yours is the most comprehensive and direct to the point so far.
One thing though, i initially did not take Ricky's questions as 'scolding'. i took them at face value, legitimate questions from a reporter that needed to be asked by someone anyway. it just so happened that he was asking them over the web. the only thing that signalled something was amiss was when ellen who is also from the media made her cryptic remark. perhaps i'm just not in touch with all the underlying subtexts.
anong comment ni ellen ang tinutukoy mo cvj?
can you provide the link?
http://www.rickycarandang.com/?p=54#comment-850
I don't see anything see anything "cryptic" or unusual about ellen's comments.
i'm from the middle class too, and the comment's not a big deal.
I think she's just upset at ricky, because ricky's post does sound arrogant.
but i don't think it's arrogant.
it's just that ricky is inudated daily with malacanang's spin that he himself ends up repeating it "on the air" (and in his blog) without question, sort of like an automaton. ;)
John, you really hit the nail on the head. The answer to our overall problem is not an alternative leader, it is clean, credible elections. The connected problem is getting both Gloria and Noli to either quit or get ousted to make way for the special elections. We've been saying that al along.
Our people must be given the chance to choose. The danger in supplanting one leader for another is that we really won't know how good a leader will be till they're in (heaven knows we've been bamboozled a couple of times already)and whoever leads the "charge" of change is going to get blamed if that leader doesn't deliver (God knows we've all been blamed before).
There is a difference between "special" and "snap" elections. "Special" is the constitutional way, "snap" is extra-constitutional. Either way, you give the people the opportunity to either hang themselves again or make informed choices.
This is why BnW's focusing on truth forums to spread the word on electoral reform, pushing for the resignation of the current COMELEC Commissioners, among other important advocacies. The way must be made ready before even floating names of possible leaders.
thanks for explaining the difference between "special elections" and "snap elections", helga.
This is why BnW's focusing on truth forums to spread the word on electoral reform, pushing for the resignation of the current COMELEC Commissioners, among other important advocacies. The way must be made ready before even floating names of possible leaders.
I agree.
i see, thanks for the explanation.
i may disagree with your b&w movement in a lot of things. as a matter of fact i see them as no more than a group of right-minded yet easily swayed individuals being manipulated by a group of people with their own interests.
i mean dito pa lang mali ka na eh. can you imagine mlq3 being "manipulated" by erap or herman tiu laurel? i don't think so.
significant ang impluensiya ng Black and White movement sa mga views ko. in fact, mas malaking factor ang input nila kaysa sa mga ibang opposition papers, like the tribune. one thing i know is that not all from the opposition are bad people. same thing can be said to those who supported esda dos at mga civil society groups.
but i do not wish to sway you with my opinions, nor do i wish to be swayed by yours. i respect your views, with the assumption that you respect others. and i guess all the name callings, bickerings, insults, and derogatory statements made by others really do nothing but create more anymosity between a lot of people.
well, i don't ban people just because i disagree with them, unless they behave in a very bastos manner.
and namecalling's not my thang. but i do call GMA illegitimate and her admin fake and bogus. does that count as namecalling too?
that being said, what i agree with your group is cleaning the augean stables that is the comelec. i guess a lot of people, except siguro mr abalos and his ilks, are into that belief. too bad they don't want to step down for whatever reasons. may i suggest that b&w train its guns on this problem first?
sorry dawg, as long as GMA is in power, mahirap i-reporma ang COMELEC. the president's the one who appoints COMELEC officials, remember. siya ang nag appoint kay former LAKAS party leader ben abalos sa pagka-chairman ng COMELEC. siya ang nag-appoint kay garci at barcelona rin.
kaya nga pinapa-resign muna si GMA eh, para mawala na ang corrupting influence ni "PRESIDENTE" arroyo sa pag-reporma ng COMELEC.
that way, at least kahit papaano may kaunting pagbabago sa atin, diba? malay mo, it could be the start of something that will make everyone happy, except for those profiting from the old system. good day.
read arroyo's dec. 30 2002 rizal day/sacrifice/"not gonna run" speech. i recall her saying na she will work hard to bring clean and honest elections in 2004. no really, honest. sinabi niya yan. go check her speech and laugh your ass out.
i'm not going to settle for just any "pagbabago". just because you replaced abalos doesn't mean "reformed" na ang COMELEC. as long as GMA admin is the one appointing officials and shaping the COMELEC, walang meaningful na reforms na mangyayari.
john, i never mentioned erap or mr tiu laurel... as a matter of fact, i admire mr tiu laurel as a person. what made you say their name?
oh i thought you were referring to the opposition i.e. erap camp. so which "group of people" are you referring to that's manipulating B and W?
as for laurel, he's from the fringe minority, and he's for erap's reinstatement as president, which i completely disagree. new elections ang kailangan para palitan yung peke... and that's the view of the majority of the anti-GMA group including nene pimentel, chiz escudero, golez, cayetano, drilon, serge osmena, cory, the black and white movement, me, and even susan and 2004 candidate ping lacson.
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and i had my share of ass-out laughing since cory aquino's presidency, btw. i think my ass cannot laugh take it anymore.
Here's arroyo's speech. Laugh your ass out.
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