LAWYER Alan Paguia must produce the two original audio tapes containing the alleged conversation between President Arroyo and former Elections Commissioner Virgilio Garcillano and identify his source or risk being detained in the House.
This was the warning aired yesterday by Rep. Gilbert Remulla (NP, Cavite), chair of the committee on public information, the lead investigating panel on the wiretapped conversations.
"He is mandated to present the source cassette tapes or face contempt although we’ll consider giving him immunity," he said.
Paguia in radio interview said he could not turn over the two tapes because some of the conversations are considered private, unlike those between Arroyo and Garcillano.
He said that if the joint committee wants to hear the two tapes, it should grant him immunity from RA 4200 or the anti-wiretapping law.
One reason why Paguia left out a lot of stuff is because marami diyan ay hindi naman relevant sa GLORIAGATE scandal, like garci talking to his wife about personal matters na wala namang kinalaman sa "pagpapataas" kay GMA. I think paguia is right to think na this would be an invasion of other people's privacy (the non-guilty ones). You can't just play the taped private conversations of others unless it is RELEVANT AND IN THE INTEREST OF THE PUBLIC. Garci talking to his kabit re meeting her somewhere para makipag-date sila is not important to GLORIAGATE.
I would assume that's paguia's reasoning.
But since somebody suggested na we play the 3 hour tape, o di sige... :D
Pero sana hindi lang Congress ang mag-play ng tape na ito kundi pati na rin yung mga tv stations. They should first authenticate the tape, then play it in it's entirety ("serialized" para hindi mahirap sa viewers at listeners), then let their political, media and audio experts analyze it to educate the public re the contents and the incriminating nature of those tapes.
And oh yeah, the tv and radio networks should provide extensive wall to wall live coverage of the GLORIAGATE hearings from now on. It is their duty to tell the public the truth re what is going on inside the hearings. just like when they covered the corpus accusations vs. lacson or erap's juetengate.
The difference between Samuel Ong and Allan Paguia
The difference between Paguia and Ong is that Paguia knows he could be in legal trouble if he provided parts of the tape that have no relevance to GLORIAGATE, like garci talking re private matters with his wife and kabit. He wants to protect himself from being sued by the non-GLORIAGATE players in those tapes.
Samuel Ong, OTOH, seems to not give a shit. Parang hindi niya masyadong pinag-isipan ang mangyayari sa kanya or the legal troubles he might face. But I'm glad nilabas na rin niya ang tape niya. I just hope that he survives this ordeal (and it will improve when GMA resigns.)
Rep. Prospero Pichay said the opposition would not allow the playing of the source tapes since his sources told him these also contain conversations between an election official and some opposition personalities, two of whom are incumbents.
"Kung ang conversations panay sa majority, the opposition would be willing to play that the whole day," he said.
Matagal na nating alam na there's a possibility that members from both sides (administration and opposition) have talked to COMELEC officials kasi si Mrs. Garcillano mismo ang nagsabi niyan, a few weeks ago.
In itself, it is inappropriate yes, but nothing really serious re talking to comelec officials to complain or inquire.
Ang masama is if a person secretly conspired with a comelec official to rig the elections or silence a witness.
Kaya nga kulang ang "apology" ni Gloria Macapagal Arroyo, kasi she only "apologized" for talking to a COMELEC official. Pero hindi lang naman yan ang kasalanan ni arroyo eh.
We're not asking GMA to resign because she "talked" to a COMELEC official. We are asking GMA to resign because she stole the elections thru cheating by coordinating with a high ranking COMELEC official and the military.
Anyways, if any other official were caught talking in this manner with a COMELEC official, then they should resign too.
Conversation between Sen. Barbers and Garcillano on 20:00 hotel May 2004
Garcillano: Hello.
Barbers: Padre, maniniwala ba sa amin na makakabawi daw dyan sa COMELEC. Humihingi ng binebentang boto. Ano bang gagawin natin dyan.
Garcillano: Sino sa kanila.
Barbers: Hindi ko alam kung sino eh pero merong naglapit sa min.
Garcillano: Kaya ko. Kaya ko yan.
Barbers: Binigyan ng kwan. Masyadong malaki pare, dalawang milyon ang hinihingi eh.
Garcillano: Magkano?
Barbers: Dalawang milyon daw.
Garcillano: ha?
Barbers: O hindi bale kung magkaabisuhan lang pwede naman tayong magdagdag eh......
Garcillano: Oo, kung makakapagbigay talaga, xx. Makiki-ano ka muna pagkatapos titingnan ko kung sino.
Kunwari lang maki-ano ka. Ipasok mo ang tao mo.
Barbers: Pero pare willing naman kaming magdagdag kung kinakailangan ha?
Garcillano: O sige, oo. Para mabantayan ko.
Barbers: O sige..
Conversation between Garcillano and Sen. Barbers on 03 13:39 June ’04.
Barbers: Padre, may pagasa pa ba tayo? Sa Basilan pala pwede pa eh. Tsaka sa Isabela.
Garcillano: Oo.
Barbers: Pero sitenta mil ang kailangan pare eh. 70,000 na lang kailangan, hati-hatiin mi na. Konti lang yun eh. Sige na pare, patotohanin mo na. Wala nang pag-asa yan. Kung ano mang konsiderasyon sabihin mo na lang sa akin. Pare, pakisuyo lang, pakitapos na lang para yun nalang alalahanin ko sa yo. Pero marami pang natitira, pwede pang dagdag eh ha?
Garcillano: O sige, sige...
Barbers: 70,000 lang ang kailangan pare.
Garcillano: Ok sige...
Conversation between Garcillano and Sen. Barbers on 04 12:05 hotel June ’04.
Garcillano: Hello.
Barbers: Padre, ok?
Garcillano: Mag-ready ka.
Barbers: Oo, anytime naman ready ako pare, basta sabihin mo lang na ayos na at ipadala ko.
Garcillano: Pare, papunta akong Baguio pero kung maari magpa-kwan ka ng, magkano ba ang iyong kaya, kahit magkano?
Barbers: Pare kung anong sabihin mo .. Ikaw, kasi baka magbigay tayo ng mali, mahirap na...
Garcillano: 1.5 to 2
Barbers: O sige.
Garcillano: May tao dyan sa opisina ko, si Mrs. Peralta. Sya ang hahawak. Hindi naman ibibigay kung hindi makaka-deliver eh. Pero babalik din ako baka bukas ng hapin o tanghali.
Barbers: Kanino ibibigay ang pera?
Garcillano: Kay Mrs. Ellen Peralta. Siya ang executive secretary ko.
Barbers: Padadala ko anong oras?
Garcillano: Tatawagan ko na siya ngayon kasi paalis na ako. Basta ready...
Barbers: Paano ko papadala pare? Paano ko ipapadala manong?
Garcillano: Pwede mo ng ipadala ngayon para habang kwan.
Barbers: Basta hanggang banding 6 o’clock nandun kasi ....
Garcillano: O ipadala mo na.
Barbers: Magkano, 1.5?
Garcillano: Dos na lang, 1.5, dos.
Barbers: Ikaw?
Garcillano: O, sige. Kung ano yung di magamit, di ibalik.
Barbers: Ellen Peralta? (line cut).
UPDATE: Paguia agrees to play all of the tapes
"Yes. We will play the tapes," Paguia said in a telephone interview on the same day.
"I realized that in the interest of the people, we should play the tapes," he said.
Paguia said he no longer feared the consequences of his decision, saying he feels that he has been taken over by events. "Bahala na ang Diyos [I leave it up to God]," he said.
Tee hee, Paguia's vulnerable now. I won't be surprised if Mrs. Garcillano and Garci's kabit will try to sue Paguia for invading their privacy.
UPDATE: Abalos says Enrile, Jinggoy and Jamby Madrigal talked to him
In a phone interview with INQ7.net, Abalos said, “Hindi lang siya. Marami sila [It wasn't only him. There were others]. I cannot remember them all. Maaaring hindi sila, maaaring mga tao nila [It's possible that it's not them, it could have been their people], asking that their votes be counted properly."
"Look, bakit hindi umiimik sina Senator Jinggoy and Senator Madrigal. Tumawag din sila pero walang masama sa tumatawag, wala namang hiningi [Look why are Senator Jinggoy and Senator Madrigal not saying anything. They also called but there is nothing wrong with calling. They did not ask for anything].”
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